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 Post subject: Toys for Tots 8 hr Enduro
PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:25 am 
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Howdy all,
I started this to give everyone a place to discuss the details about the Dec 5th, Toys for Tots, 8 hr Endurance race at Road Atlanta. There have been many points of confusion so we decided it was best to put everything in one topic. Go for it!

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 Post subject: Re: Toys for Tots 8 hr Enduro
PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:19 am 
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Joe Joe racing plans to attend this event. I am also trying to bring in a friend who runs in HSR and SCCA to attend (trying to get him to leave the dark side!). I am assuming you have to have a minimum of 2 drivers but what about pit rules for changing tires, will it go by the book or can we do wheel changes on pit road? Glad to see it may become a reality.

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On first glance based on what I am used to reading on these boards I thought the title read Toyos for Tots 8 hr Enduro. That would be one hell of an investment in the underprivileged.

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 Post subject: Re: Toys for Tots 8 hr Enduro
PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:35 am 
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Is there going to be a collection of toys for the charity or is there going to be a "charitable" giving attachment to the entry etc.? Just curious. I am a big believer in charities (esp for kids)!

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:30 am 
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Word on the street is, Jim plans to donate one of the cars from his stable to charity.

..but the Mad Bomber is not included :lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:39 am 
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Sounds like a 'Must Attend' event for my 'Marines' car!


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 Post subject: Re: Toys for Tots 8 hr Enduro
PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:16 pm 
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Team BDR plans to make the trip with a SM for the event, we also have some of the SCCA guys from the Florida region asking about it, any details you can give us on min drivers, min pit stops, entry fees etc??

Any info I will be passing on to alot of the guys interested down here in Florida.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:31 pm 
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Registration is up already for that race. The price is $495 for two drivers.

NASA rules call for minimum of two drivers for races over 6 hours like this one.

Pit stops are free, but most cars(other than classes ES and ESR) are restricted to fueling 10 gallons of fuel per stop. There is no minimum pit stop time. Driver may remain in the car for fueling.

I hope that helps

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 9:18 am 
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Here are a few of the Enduro Rules, points to ponder, cliff notes and some examples worth noting:

8.2.1. For endurance races of six hours and greater (This section is not applicable to ES and ESR):
There are no required timed pit stops, and no minimum number of stops. No more than 10 gallons of gas from two NASA approved standard 5-gallon plastic fuel containers may be put in the car during any pit stop. The containers may not be refilled during a pit stop and put in the car (i.e. if the team has two containers half full, that is all they can put in during that stop). Note- Six gallon (or other) containers, sold as "5-Gallon" fuel containers are NOT legal.

*What this says that any E0-E3 are limited to only 10 gallons of fuel per pit stop. Note that it does not limit the number of stops, you may refuel as often as you wish but only 10 gallons at a time and only with 2-5 gallon jugs at a time. This should make for a great equalizer between classes! ES and ESR are more or less an unrestricted class thus not required per the rules.

8.1. Pit space
All competitors are required to keep two gallons of water, at least one 5 Ib. or larger ABC rated fire extinguisher (with a gauge indicating fully charged), and at least 5 pounds of oil absorbent in their pit space. Each team must have their own pit space for each team car that will pit at the same time. Each
team's separate pit space must meet the requirements for equipment (i.e fire extinguisher, water, etc.) No sharing of required equipment, such as fire extinguishers, is permitted between pit spaces, even for the same team, unless the team is willing to limit themselves to having only one team car pit at a time. The team owner will be held responsible for any damages to the track, pits, or paddock.

*About a month before the event I will open up my email to assigned pit spaces. Every other hot pit “space” will be used starting from pit entrance. These will be first come first serve with preference going to current NASA Southeast Enduro participants first. Don’t email me before hand about which pit space you want.

*If your team is crew going to crew for another car, you will need two pit “spaces” separated by one. Please note if you have two “spaces” each space will need it’s own safety equipment. No sharing safety equipment between the two spaces. Safety equipment per space is as follows: two gallons of water, at least one 5 Ib. or larger ABC rated fire extinguisher (with a gauge indicating fully charged), and at least 5 pounds of oil absorbent.

*We are assigning pit spaces so officials won’t have to run all over the place to ensure legal practices during the eunduro.

5.8. Full course yellow
The pits will be "closed" during full course yellows. Once the last turn station, before the pit entrance, displays the double yellow flags (or by any other defined indication), the pit lane will then be "closed." If a car enters the pit lane during a full course yellow situation, the driver has three options:
A. Proceed to the paddock and work may be performed (unless prohibited by an official, due to the course condition changing to "Red Flag").
B. Park in the team's pit space and do nothing until the end of the full course yellow. The driver may not exit car (unless due to an emergency or instructed to do so by an official) and the team shall not work on the car.
C. Continue through the pit lane and rejoin the field at the end of the pack.

* Just make sure all folks know full course yellow rules.

* Also note we will allow on course repairs of your vehicles as long as the corner worker/officials says that it is a safe place to work on the car. Don’t run out of fuel-this will not be allowed anywhere but the hot pits.

*Please take the time to read the rules found here: http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/enduro.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
There are lots of little small items that could cost you a penalty.

*Also note penalties will be handed out on a “Time” format not by “Laps”. Example- 20 minute penalty for wearing shorts in the hot pits.

* We will supersede the tire rule and allow for all four tires/wheels to be changed at a pit stop.

Any question please post and I will we try to answer them as soon as possible.


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 Post subject: Re: Toys for Tots 8 hr Enduro
PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 6:20 pm 
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mpowers wrote:
Here are a few of the Enduro Rules, points to ponder, cliff notes and some examples worth noting:

8.2.1. For endurance races of six hours and greater (This section is not applicable to ES and ESR):
There are no required timed pit stops, and no minimum number of stops. No more than 10 gallons of gas from two NASA approved standard 5-gallon plastic fuel containers may be put in the car during any pit stop. The containers may not be refilled during a pit stop and put in the car (i.e. if the team has two containers half full, that is all they can put in during that stop). Note- Six gallon (or other) containers, sold as "5-Gallon" fuel containers are NOT legal.

*What this says that any E0-E3 are limited to only 10 gallons of fuel per pit stop. Note that it does not limit the number of stops, you may refuel as often as you wish but only 10 gallons at a time and only with 2-5 gallon jugs at a time. This should make for a great equalizer between classes! ES and ESR are more or less an unrestricted class thus not required per the rules.


For those who did not see the other thread this is what the illegal cans look like;
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this is what the NASA approved cans look like:
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