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 Post subject: Re: Spec Iron ABS ?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:27 pm 
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robbodleimages wrote:
come on about the abs. is that how you drive your car? get to the braking zone and mash the pedal as hard as you can?

i doubt that. if you engage the abs system, you are going slower than if you correctly threshold braked the corner. some might could say that same thing about smoking the living daylights out of an RA1. you can just about lock them up to your hearts content and they remain round.


Rob do you even read the stuff you type? Cause if you believe that, I have a few slightly used square RA1's I can sell you.

Also if abs doesn't help why did the Ford teams petition grand am for the Bosch unit Chevy was running? Guess they think it is pretty important and the last time I checked they were the pros, probably with stacks of data to prove it does matter.


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 Post subject: Re: Spec Iron ABS ?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:45 pm 
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Nape, I hear you. understood. we'll see how this series does evolve (?). Also I really dont even look at abs as an advantage in this class (since everyone will be using same one.)

I'm looking for driver controlled limits in a spec, or more touted "drivers" class.

Cody.. was trying to post this and you popped in! whats up bro

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 Post subject: Re: Spec Iron ABS ?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:03 pm 
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Just living the dream. I have my car guy looking for a good 2011 donor. I think this it's going to be an awesome class. For the record I think ABS is a great idea as well as a spec spring and shock package.


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 Post subject: Re: Spec Iron ABS ?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:23 pm 
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CF03GT wrote:
Come on guys, this is a brand new class trying to establish itself. Dead horse (in a different arena) or not.. nows the time to put the concerns on the table.

Funny Robert :lol:

Ed, we could all use remote control too.. we'd all have the same thing.. :mrgreen:. Cinch up those big boy panties and drive w/in your own limits :P

And Ed and Bodle, where did you guys get the idea I thought it was just a stab at the pedal and magic happens?? Lol.

I just like it raw (the driving that is).


I DO have a spec Miata calling your name Mr. Ferrari. :wink:

It's so Raw it still has the flat spots on the tires from Nationals along with the crash damage from the guy bouncing off the wall (or other car) in front of me.

For sure you ripped out all your ABS shoo-shiddily-diddily out and sold it. Robert hit that nail on the head. I get it, dude, I just put a freakin boss motor in the car when I could have just raced right onto the podium in spec iron like Ed. No, seriously. Ed, I want my old motor back!! :D

And to finish kicking the horse, abs is great because it allows one to close their eyes upon reaching the brake zone and put both feet on the braking pedal and let everything work out. Every time. Every lap. The brakes dont even wear out they are so damn good.

The reality is the non abs car has to win in AI this year given the power advantage. :mrgreen:


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 Post subject: Re: Spec Iron ABS ?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:45 am 
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Aww man.. no love even from the really cool guys.. :(

:lol: Your a funny guy Brucie! I've tried out spec miata. Was fun, but more along miniature golf type fun. Ps. "Its so Raw it still has flat spots on the tires along with crash damage from guy bouncing off the wall" YES! thats what a real race car should be! 8)

Cool Cody! Hope you find one of the slow ones :mrgreen:

DOWN WITH ABS! :)

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 Post subject: Re: Spec Iron ABS ?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:06 am 
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CF03GT wrote:

This abs thing really might be a deal breaker for me.. I might just head back over to where the real men run (CMC). :P




Have you looked at the current CMC rules requirements for your car?!? I don't think they want you to win again! :lol: :D

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 Post subject: Re: Spec Iron ABS ?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:55 am 
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Chris, for what its worth, I agree with your points.
I don't have a horse in the race, but still think the arguements "for" ABS are as hilarious as ever.,.....Power steering, defroster (really ??) :lol:
Heres a very simple way to avoid flat spotting tires.............Learn how to threshold brake...dah :roll:
But the best one is as a safety item. "It prevents accidents"..........No good driving, situational awareness, and using your head, prevents accidents. Just a suggestion, but maybe, just maybe, you will have to race at 9/10 instead of 10/10 in certain circumstances. Its a crutch. Like any other crutch, put too much weight on it, and it breaks.
You can make all of the same arguements for traction contol. Speaking of traction control aren't the same components for ABS also used for traction and launch control?
Many, many pro and amateur classes manage to race without ABS. It can, and is being done, even at the highest level of racing.

TJ, nailed it. It ain't going anywhere in FI, I mean AI or SI.... :wink: (I get my letter mixed up sometimes) :oops:

Steve P. I posted for your amusement. You didn't think i could let Chris take the heat all by himself ?............Wait the horse still has a little life left in him..

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 Post subject: Re: Spec Iron ABS ?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 8:05 am 
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FYI, this is what's left of the horse


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 Post subject: Re: Spec Iron ABS ?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 8:36 am 
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jdlingle wrote:
CF03GT wrote:

This abs thing really might be a deal breaker for me.. I might just head back over to where the real men run (CMC). :P




Have you looked at the current CMC rules requirements for your car?!? I don't think they want you to win again! :lol: :D

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Tell em Dave!!

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 Post subject: Re: Spec Iron ABS ?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:42 pm 
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I raced a couple of years of MINI Challenge with a BMW Motorsport calibrated ABS setup for Dunlop Slicks - the interesting thing with this system (and that fitted to most production cars) is that the Hydraulic Unit performs a large number of functions. Anti-lock is the obvious one, and later models use it for ESC, but the main one you feel is the EBD - Electronic Brake-force Distribution.

Under threshold braking you could feel the brake force shifting front-rear and side to side to compensate for the car's movements. The car needed this system to brake effectively, removing it would require wholesale changes to master cylinders, proportioning valves etc.

You could brake REALLY deep, just like in a car without ABS, but if you stuffed it up or had to dodge an incident then it was (as Dean so bluntly put it), a safety net.

Oh, and in the wet? Saved several drivers from nerfing their car into the fence.

So if the point of Spec Iron is to get new guys & girls with STANDARD 4.6 S197s onto the grid for the cheapest and simplest way possible, then use the FR ABS. It will save them, their cars, complexity and cost. It's why I bought the bits to use on my 2007 GT!


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