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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:06 am 
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aaronsti wrote:
So here's another food for thought question for you. With your statement of fwd is similar to awd, is any awd platform with the -.5 more of a handicap than its worth. Are you better off with the more even weight distribution of rwd or the +.6 of fwd?



I think that comes down to the "warts" of the individual platform, the trade-offs associated, the desire to become an expert on that platform, and the driving style of the racer.

For me, I have raced FWD 4 bangers, 6cyl RWD, 6Cyl AWD, V8 RWD, etc. Balanced and unbalanced. Smart (eg C7Z06 and GTR) and non-smart (eg Pickup and Escort). My driving style and my maintenance budget prefer a not-so-smart single cam RWD V8. Therefore, a Corvette C5Z06 with the traction control turned off but ABS still enabled suits my needs perfectly. Cheap-ish to maintain and modify, still plenty fast, lots of aftermarket support, and suits my driving style with my right foot. If I had the money to maintain it, I'd be all over a carbon-paneled, heavily modified ST2 Nissan GTR that is on the market right now. If I were starting all over, I would be very interested in Spec Iron or Honda Challenge. Two completely different platforms, but both equally fun in their own right. I am always amazed at the fast lap times the Honda Challenge guys turn for $15-20k. Not far off of ST3 lap times at a lot of tracks. But I have also watched a number of my friends chase halfshaft issues in their Integras and whatnot.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:16 am 
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The AWD penalty in TT4 is more of a handicap than it's worth at my local tracks (VIR/Dominion/Summit). In similarly prepped cars, I can put down 1-2 second faster laps in my e36 M3 than my Audi B8 A5. And the other AWD cars I've seen in TT4 so far are a couple seconds off an e36 as well. Most of the TT4 cars are in the 230-270whp range and traction at that level just doesn't seem like much of a problem on hoosiers.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:48 pm 
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daytonars4 wrote:
The AWD penalty in TT4 is more of a handicap than it's worth at my local tracks (VIR/Dominion/Summit). In similarly prepped cars, I can put down 1-2 second faster laps in my e36 M3 than my Audi B8 A5. And the other AWD cars I've seen in TT4 so far are a couple seconds off an e36 as well. Most of the TT4 cars are in the 230-270whp range and traction at that level just doesn't seem like much of a problem on hoosiers.


i don't know if its that i'm biased (which i probably am) it seems like an awfully big handicap for the little if any advantage. but the top tt4 guys in my region(northeast) run evo's, soooo.....?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:52 pm 
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i guess the point of this thread for me is to figure out if its worth building my sti to the rules and will it be competitive or should i sell the sti and get something else if i want to be competitive. i think once you get to tt3 the answer becomes more clear that it won't be as competitive, especially as far as making cheap reliable power.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:01 pm 
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All good points and ideas made. Maybe...run what you have and see how you and the car do? Sometimes moving up we feel we can't be as competitive as we need to be and find out afterwards, we did ok. Few more tweaks here and there and we're even better yet.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:32 pm 
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i'm far away, running no aero. not willing to do the expense and low life of hoosiers yet so running bfg r1 because i know even with hoosiers i wouldn't be competitive, and some various things that add up. looking at about 6500 to make the car competitive.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:23 pm 
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It's hard to use 1 region as a guide. But since that's where you are racing and AWD cars do fine there, then it may be fine for you. But just for reference, the top TT4 NE driver came to VIR earlier this year and ran 2:08 which is now the TT4 record. On the same weekend GTS2 e36's were running 2:07's and they are 30-40whp below what's allowed for TT4/ST4 power to weight ......


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